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Skynet: /* Calculating Background Points And Dots */

2022-01-24T04:34:30Z

‎Calculating Background Points And Dots

Skynet at 04:28, 24 January 2022

2022-01-24T04:28:35Z

Skynet at 02:43, 24 January 2022

2022-01-24T02:43:47Z

Skynet: Addition of house rule to wonder crafting

2022-01-23T23:16:03Z

Addition of house rule to wonder crafting

Skynet: /* Step Five: Quickening */

2022-01-23T23:15:39Z

‎Step Five: Quickening

Skynet: /* Step One: Send in a Request */

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‎Step One: Send in a Request

Skynet: /* Step One: Send in a Request */

2022-01-23T22:02:18Z

‎Step One: Send in a Request

RoyalBatty: /* Step Five: Quickening */

2021-10-17T18:31:21Z

‎Step Five: Quickening

RoyalBatty: /* Step Five: Quickening */

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‎Step Five: Quickening

RoyalBatty: /* Step Five: Quickening */

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‎Step Five: Quickening

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 '''Background "points":''' The "Wonders" chart on p. 653 in M20 is a misprint. Use the chart on p. 328 in M20, which is duplicated in Book of Secrets. Note that when the text refers to "Background Points" it means the experience point/freebies rating, not the Dot rating.
-'''Calculating Points cost:''' (Total Sphere Levels or highest sphere * 2, whichever is higher) + 1 if an extra Arete is given + Flaws + Features.
+'''Calculating Points cost:''' ('''Total Sphere Levels''' or '''highest sphere * 2''', whichever is higher) + 1 if an extra Arete is given + Flaws + Features.
 '''Number of Effects:''' An individual Wonder can have up to one separate power for each DOT in the Wonder Background. Thus, a Bafflejack that baffles two senses is 2-dot, three senses is 3 dots, and four senses is 4-dot, even though the point cost and highest sphere are low.

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 '''Background "points":''' The "Wonders" chart on p. 653 in M20 is a misprint. Use the chart on p. 328 in M20, which is duplicated in Book of Secrets. Note that when the text refers to "Background Points" it means the experience point/freebies rating, not the Dot rating.
-'''Calculating Points cost:''' Total Sphere Levels + 1 if an extra Arete is given + Flaws + Features is the calculation we currently use.
+'''Calculating Points cost:''' (Total Sphere Levels or highest sphere * 2, whichever is higher) + 1 if an extra Arete is given + Flaws + Features.
-'''Number of Effects:''' An individual Wonder can have up to one separate power for each DOT in the Wonder Background.
+'''Number of Effects:''' An individual Wonder can have up to one separate power for each DOT in the Wonder Background. Thus, a Bafflejack that baffles two senses is 2-dot, three senses is 3 dots, and four senses is 4-dot, even though the point cost and highest sphere are low.
-'''Highest Sphere:''' The dot rating of the Wonder determines the highest level Sphere Effect(s) this Wonder can use.
+'''Highest Sphere:''' The dot rating of the Wonder determines the highest level Sphere Effect(s) this Wonder can use. Thus, something akin to a Stargate is at least 4 dots.
-'''Artifacts and Talismans:''' Complex items with activatable effects. Calculate the point cost and look up the appropriate dot value on the chart above. If the highest sphere or number of effects would require a higher dot rating, use that instead. Thus, a Wonder that provides some effect that uses all 9 spheres at level 1 would be a 3-dot wonder because it would cost 9 points. Meanwhile, a wonder that only uses Time 3 for three effects would also be a 3-dot wonder because a wonder has a minimum dot rating of number of effects or highest sphere. Double the point cost if the effects are ongoing (and thus do not roll Arete), and are not simple enough to be a Trinket (e.g. something that could not be accomplished by Locking an effect or is not a single straightforward effect). Pay XP equal to the point cost or equivalent to the background dots, whichever is higher.
+'''Artifacts and Talismans:''' Complex items with activatable effects. Calculate the point cost and look up the appropriate dot value on the chart above. If the highest sphere or number of effects would require a higher dot rating, use that instead. Thus, a Wonder that provides some effect that uses all 9 spheres at level 1 would be a 3-dot wonder because it would cost 9 points. Meanwhile, a wonder that only uses Time 3 for three effects would also be a 3-dot wonder because a wonder has a minimum dot rating of number of effects or highest sphere. Double the point cost if the effects are ongoing (and thus do not roll Arete), and are not simple enough to be a Trinket (e.g. something that could not be accomplished by Locking an effect or is not a single straightforward effect). Pay for the background dots as you would any other background.
-'''Charms:''' Single-use items activated by consuming them. Calculate the point cost as above and divide by 2 for a batch of 10. Look up the appropriate dot value on the chart above. Ignore 'number of effects' as Charms have only one. Ignore minimum dot requirement for highest sphere. Pay XP equal to this point cost.
+'''Charms:''' Single-use items activated by consuming them. Calculate the point cost as above and divide by 2 for a batch of 10. Look up the appropriate dot value on the chart above. Ignore 'number of effects' as Charms have only one. Ignore minimum dot requirement for highest sphere. Pay XP equal to this point cost. 1 Freebie = 3 XP for this.
-'''Trinkets:''' Items that have been permanently enhanced with magick. Exception to the point cost calculation above. Point cost is 1 point per dot in the highest sphere needed for the effect plus the strength of the effect past the base. Look up the appropriate dot value on the chart above. Ignore 'number of effects' as Trinkets have only one and must be simple. Ignore minimum dot requirement for highest sphere. Examples: A Sword enhanced with Matter 3 to do 4 extra damage would cost 3 + 3 = 6 points. The same sword, if it only did 1 extra damage, would cost 3 + 0 = 3 points. A ring that makes punches aggravated damage against living creatures (Life 3) would cost 3 points only. We do not support Trinkets with a strength above 5. Pay XP equal to this point cost.
+'''Trinkets:''' Items that have been permanently enhanced with magick. Exception to the point cost calculation above. Point cost is 1 point per dot in the highest sphere needed for the effect plus 2x the strength of the effect past the base. Look up the appropriate dot value on the chart above. Ignore 'number of effects' as Trinkets have only one and must be simple. Ignore minimum dot requirement for highest sphere. Examples: A Sword enhanced with Matter 3 to do 4 extra damage would cost 3 + 6 = 9 points. The same sword, if it only did 1 extra damage, would cost 3 + 0 = 3 points. A ring that makes punches aggravated damage against living creatures (Life 3) would cost 3 points only. We do not support Trinkets with a strength above 5. Pay XP equal to this point cost. 1 Freebie = 3 XP for this.
 = After Character Generation =

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 = In Character Generation=
-A Mage must pay an adequate amount of points to create a Wonder.  The "points" referred to on the chart below are the number of ''freebie or experience points'' spent to achieve the dot rating.
+Wonder costs are calculated based on points, but some characteristics require a minimum dot rating.
 {| class="wikitable"
 | '''Dot Rating'''
 | '''Points Available'''
 |-
 | •
-| 1-3 freebie or experience points
+| 1-3 points
 |-
 | ••
-| 4-6 freebie or experience points
+| 4-6 points
 |-
 | •••
-| 7-9 freebie or experience points
+| 7-9 points
 |-
 | ••••
-| 10-12 freebie or experience points
+| 10-12 points
 |-
 | •••••
-| 13-15 freebie or experience points
+| 13-15 points
 |}
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 * The Quint/Arete rating
 * The Spell Effects.
 = After Character Generation =
 Once a Wonder is acquired, it remains unchanged and cannot be improved.
-Characters can create Wonders by following the process described below.
+Characters can create Wonders by following the process described below. In this case, the Wonder does not cost XP unless indicated in the crafting process.
 == Step One: Send in a Request ==
 Send in a +request describing your intentions!  What do you want this Wonder to do?
-'''Background "points":''' The "Wonders" chart on p. 653 in M20 is a misprint. Use the chart on p. 328 in M20, which is duplicated in Book of Secrets. Note that when the text refers to "Background Points" it means the experience point/freebies rating, not the Dot rating. You will have to pay XP equivalent to buying the background at the resulting Dot rating unless you craft the Wonder yourself. Alternate ways to acquire a Wonder include through your Mentor, or the expenditure of Karma to get a plot run for it.
+See the section above about calculating Background Points And Dots.
 == Step Two: Provide A Foundation ==
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 To craft the item, staff will arrange an appropriate Crafting roll and target number of successes, so please wait for a staff reply.  We'll want to know what you're crafting and if you're doing so mundanely or magickally (or both).  The target number is going to depend on your situation, but our default fallback number of target successes (which assumes mundane crafting) is [3 x Intended Wonder Level].  Each crafting roll posted to the +job will cost 1 Downtime and reflect an evening dedicated to the item's creation.
-== Step Three: Imbuing ==
+== Step Three: Energy==
-Next, you will need to imbue your wonder-to-be with Energy. If you don't have Prime 4, you're going to need to supply five Tass per dot of Wonder.  Tass can be collected from node grid squares by typing '''+tass/collect''' while standing in them, as well as be granted to you by staff (for example, sacrifice objects ala page 49 of HDYDT and then immediately follow up with Prime 3 to condense the resulting Quintessence into Tass).
+Next, you will need to imbue your wonder-to-be with Quintessence. You will require 5 Quintessence per dot of the Wonder. You will need all of this at once. You can use Prime 1 to increase your personal maximum Quintessence capacity above your Avatar rating.
-If you do have Prime 4, you can use it to pull raw Quintessence as described on page 155 of Book of Secrets.
+Prime 4 can disintegrate objects for Quintessence without a sacrifice ritual, but the amount is generally minimal.
-Lastly, personal sacrifice is an option instead of (or in addition to) Tass collection. You can use the Heart's Blood sacrifice mechanic that you can find on page 50 of HDYDT.
+Prime 5 can disintegrate living beings for Quintessence or drain Quintessence from an unwilling creature.
 == Step Four: Purification ==
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 == Step Five: Quickening ==
-Lastly, you will want to post Arete rolls to the job. You will need to achieve 3 successes per dot in the Wonder. This counts as a vulgar Prime effect and requires the appropriate Spheres that correspond to the Wonder’s Effects. Every Arete roll will reflect one hour of work.  Since we use the Rite/Ceremony/Great Work rules (page 541 M20), creating Wonders requiring 5+ successes is considered Ceremony, and 10+ successes Great Work territory. This means that creating a 2-dot Wonder counts as a Ceremony, and a 3-dot Wonder would be a Great Work. You will also need to post Downtime to the job.  You the amount to spend is 1 point of downtime per successes required in the Wonder's creation.
+Lastly, you will want to post Arete rolls to the job. You will need to achieve 3 successes per dot in the Wonder. This counts as a vulgar Prime effect and requires the appropriate Spheres that correspond to the Wonder’s Effects.  Since we use the Rite/Ceremony/Great Work rules (page 541 M20), creating Wonders requiring 5+ successes is considered Ceremony, and 10+ successes Great Work territory. This means that creating a 2-dot Wonder counts as a Ceremony, and a 3-dot Wonder would be a Great Work. A Ceremony takes 1 hour per roll. A Great Work takes 5 hours per roll. You will also need to post Downtime to the job for every 5 hours spent.
-'''House Rule:''' M20 Book of Secrets says that creating Grimoires, Devices, and Talismans cost a dot of ''permanent'' willpower to create. Instead of this, Grimoires will cost 10 XP to create. Talismans will take 5 + Dot Rating ''temporary'' willpower to create, so they cannot be exactly mass produced but you do need to instill a part of yourself into the work.
+'''House Rule:''' M20 Book of Secrets says that creating Grimoires, Devices, and Talismans cost a dot of ''permanent'' willpower to create. Instead of this, Grimoires will cost 10 XP to create. Talismans will take 5 + Dot Rating ''temporary'' willpower to create, so they cannot be quickly produced but you do need to instill a part of yourself into the work.
 Once this is complete, staff will approve your Wonder! You will either receive a +note describing the Wonder or an equipment item providing the same feature.  If the foundation is relevant in combat (a magickal sword, holy armor, etc.) you can expect it to be given to you as an equipment item.
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 Lastly, you will want to post Arete rolls to the job. You will need to achieve 3 successes per dot in the Wonder. This counts as a vulgar Prime effect and requires the appropriate Spheres that correspond to the Wonder’s Effects. Every Arete roll will reflect one hour of work.  Since we use the Rite/Ceremony/Great Work rules (page 541 M20), creating Wonders requiring 5+ successes is considered Ceremony, and 10+ successes Great Work territory. This means that creating a 2-dot Wonder counts as a Ceremony, and a 3-dot Wonder would be a Great Work. You will also need to post Downtime to the job.  You the amount to spend is 1 point of downtime per successes required in the Wonder's creation.
-M20 Book of Secrets says that creating Grimoires, Devices, and Talismans cost a dot of ''permanent'' willpower to create. Instead of this, Grimoires will cost 10 XP to create. Talismans will take 5 + Dot Rating ''temporary'' willpower to create, so they cannot be exactly mass produced but you do need to instill a part of yourself into the work.
+'''House Rule:''' M20 Book of Secrets says that creating Grimoires, Devices, and Talismans cost a dot of ''permanent'' willpower to create. Instead of this, Grimoires will cost 10 XP to create. Talismans will take 5 + Dot Rating ''temporary'' willpower to create, so they cannot be exactly mass produced but you do need to instill a part of yourself into the work.
 Once this is complete, staff will approve your Wonder! You will either receive a +note describing the Wonder or an equipment item providing the same feature.  If the foundation is relevant in combat (a magickal sword, holy armor, etc.) you can expect it to be given to you as an equipment item.
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 == Step Five: Quickening ==
 Lastly, you will want to post Arete rolls to the job. You will need to achieve 3 successes per dot in the Wonder. This counts as a vulgar Prime effect and requires the appropriate Spheres that correspond to the Wonder’s Effects. Every Arete roll will reflect one hour of work.  Since we use the Rite/Ceremony/Great Work rules (page 541 M20), creating Wonders requiring 5+ successes is considered Ceremony, and 10+ successes Great Work territory. This means that creating a 2-dot Wonder counts as a Ceremony, and a 3-dot Wonder would be a Great Work. You will also need to post Downtime to the job.  You the amount to spend is 1 point of downtime per successes required in the Wonder's creation.
 Once this is complete, staff will approve your Wonder! You will either receive a +note describing the Wonder or an equipment item providing the same feature.  If the foundation is relevant in combat (a magickal sword, holy armor, etc.) you can expect it to be given to you as an equipment item.
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 '''Background "points":''' The "Wonders" chart on p. 653 in M20 is a misprint. Use the chart on p. 328 in M20, which is duplicated in Book of Secrets. Note that when the text refers to "Background Points" it means the experience point/freebies rating, not the Dot rating. You will have to pay XP equivalent to buying the background at the resulting Dot rating unless you craft the Wonder yourself. Alternate ways to acquire a Wonder include through your Mentor, or the expenditure of Karma to get a plot run for it.
 '''Calculating Points cost:''' Number of Effects + Highest Sphere + 1 if an extra Arete is given + Flaws + Features is the calculation we currently use.
 '''Dot rating:''' An individual Wonder can have up to one separate power for each DOT in the Wonder Background. The dot rating of the Wonder determines the highest level Sphere Effect(s) this Wonder can use. A 3 dot Wonder thus can use a sphere level at 1, 2 and/or 3.